Comments on: Safari, you’re dead to me now http://randommaccess.com/2007/11/safari-youre-dead-to-me-now/ Mac opinion. Punditry. Whatever. Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:57:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Harry http://randommaccess.com/2007/11/safari-youre-dead-to-me-now/comment-page-1/#comment-12 Harry Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:45:10 +0000 http://randommaccess.com/2007/11/19/safari-youre-dead-to-me-now/#comment-12 Fair enough - and I can fully understand the feelings -- a large, entertainment and media based client of mine (really big) has a firewall making it impossible for iTunes to either grab album art, or get the radio stations list -- even though that's just regular http traffic. Additionally, on the even of them launching their content being made available via iTunes, which was a big deal company wide, their firewall wouldn't even allow the iTunes store connection - "not an approved application". That was fun. On the other hand, Apple has worked diligently with me a while back in order to make Quicktime streaming work through the same firewall (with an exception in the QT code, just to accommodate that particular case). Oh yeah, and we're also talking about MS based firewalls :-( I don't doubt that things have changed on Apple's end, that would cause this problem you're encountering, especially seeing as how Apple is pushing their reliance evangelical support of standards further with Leopard. One approach would be to work with your IT/network staff, though if they are MS-KoolAid drinkers, I see little hopes in any resolution from that end - though you may be surprised. I'll check a bit on my end, along with some of my Apple relations, and dig up if there's any solution on the horizon, and let you know. Fair enough – and I can fully understand the feelings — a large, entertainment and media based client of mine (really big) has a firewall making it impossible for iTunes to either grab album art, or get the radio stations list — even though that’s just regular http traffic.

Additionally, on the even of them launching their content being made available via iTunes, which was a big deal company wide, their firewall wouldn’t even allow the iTunes store connection – “not an approved application”. That was fun.

On the other hand, Apple has worked diligently with me a while back in order to make Quicktime streaming work through the same firewall (with an exception in the QT code, just to accommodate that particular case).

Oh yeah, and we’re also talking about MS based firewalls :-(

I don’t doubt that things have changed on Apple’s end, that would cause this problem you’re encountering, especially seeing as how Apple is pushing their reliance evangelical support of standards further with Leopard. One approach would be to work with your IT/network staff, though if they are MS-KoolAid drinkers, I see little hopes in any resolution from that end – though you may be surprised.

I’ll check a bit on my end, along with some of my Apple relations, and dig up if there’s any solution on the horizon, and let you know.

]]> By: Chuck La Tournous http://randommaccess.com/2007/11/safari-youre-dead-to-me-now/comment-page-1/#comment-11 Chuck La Tournous Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:31:26 +0000 http://randommaccess.com/2007/11/19/safari-youre-dead-to-me-now/#comment-11 It's a pretty commonly know problem with ISA proxies, Harry -- the Apple Discussion Boards have a lot of threads on this going back to early Tiger revs (Here's a link to <a href="http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=5871394" rel="nofollow">one</a>). The issue seems to be with the Windows 2003 Proxy Server -- MacWindows has a <a href="http://www.macwindows.com/leopard.html#103107f" rel="nofollow">thread</a> on it going back for the last couple of weeks. The fact that Mac OS 9 and Mac OS X 10.0 through 10.3 (as well as all versions of Windows) worked with this version of the proxy server indicates to me it's something that's changed in Apple's implementation. And I'm not so much looking to place blame as to find a fix. I didn't provide more details because I wasn't making a plea for help, just relating a situation -- but I do appreciate the offer. It’s a pretty commonly know problem with ISA proxies, Harry — the Apple Discussion Boards have a lot of threads on this going back to early Tiger revs (Here’s a link to one). The issue seems to be with the Windows 2003 Proxy Server — MacWindows has a thread on it going back for the last couple of weeks. The fact that Mac OS 9 and Mac OS X 10.0 through 10.3 (as well as all versions of Windows) worked with this version of the proxy server indicates to me it’s something that’s changed in Apple’s implementation. And I’m not so much looking to place blame as to find a fix.

I didn’t provide more details because I wasn’t making a plea for help, just relating a situation — but I do appreciate the offer.

]]> By: Harry http://randommaccess.com/2007/11/safari-youre-dead-to-me-now/comment-page-1/#comment-10 Harry Tue, 20 Nov 2007 00:34:15 +0000 http://randommaccess.com/2007/11/19/safari-youre-dead-to-me-now/#comment-10 Maybe if you gave some further details on the type of firewall you are facing, and what the issues are, you could be helpd - but blaming Safari/Apple for what is most likely an amateurish implementation of firewall (regardless of the size of your company) is disingenuous at best. I count a major communications/entertainment company amongst my clients, and their firewall (or network) is pathetically configured, so I can sympathize with your plight. Again, though, blaming Apple for that misplaces the blame. Provide some further information (or contact me via email) and we can try to troubleshoot this. Maybe if you gave some further details on the type of firewall you are facing, and what the issues are, you could be helpd – but blaming Safari/Apple for what is most likely an amateurish implementation of firewall (regardless of the size of your company) is disingenuous at best.

I count a major communications/entertainment company amongst my clients, and their firewall (or network) is pathetically configured, so I can sympathize with your plight. Again, though, blaming Apple for that misplaces the blame.

Provide some further information (or contact me via email) and we can try to troubleshoot this.

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